This is a blog about the forthcoming Wheel of Time television series, being produced by Sony and Amazon, with the first season forthcoming in November of 2021.


I will state from the outset, that I am a pretty serious fan of the book series.  If this blog contains any spoilers, it's because you haven't read through the books, so I don't care if I've ruined anything for you.  This series has been complete since early 2013, and I've re-read all of the books multiple times since then.  Nothing that old can be deemed a spoiler.


I will also state, at the outset, that I am wholly pessimistic about the Sony and Amazon production, as nothing that I have seen or heard about the series gives me much confidence.  Though I have long hoped that a series could be made; and I understand the herculean tasks involved; I think they are going about it 100% the wrong way.


After a bit of preamble, I aim to dissect the Sony and Amazon trailer in this post; providing explanation to each major shot.  I also want to state, at the outset, that I really don't care about the casting choices done for the TV series, at an INDIVIDUAL level.

On this point, let me be clear: I am a fan of Fantasy Literature when it adheres to REALISM.  What do I mean by that?  I mean, if you create a world with Dragons in it, have your characters live and act as though they live in a world with Dragons!  What would this mean?  It means most cities and towns would defend themselves against Dragons, no?  Even remote villages would have some fortification, or large ballistae in place.  It would change traditional medieval combat to include the aerial component.  The author needs to think these things through: I create a magical world that is different from our own by introducing X, Y and Z, and it plays out as A, B and C.

I cannot abide people who think that since Fantasy adds the fantastical, that all rules go out the window.  One of the reasons why I enjoy the Wheel of Time books so much, is precisely because Robert Jordan is a stickler for the rules he creates in his world (but there are some tidy exceptions/contrivances; the series is not without flaws, which I will get to much later).

So getting back to the CASTING CONTROVERSY around the Wheel of Time TV series.  I don't care that they cast Egwene as an actress of Indian descent.  I don't care that they made Perrin and Nynaeve half-black.  I don't care that they cast Mat and Tam as white guys.  But what I do care about is that they cast them all DIFFERENT, when, for the purposes of the STORY, they should all be the SAME.

It seems trivial, but it gets back to my point about Fantasy Realism.  The Two Rivers, our opening location in the Wheel of Time is an out-of-the-way backwater.  It is completely isolated from the rest of the world.  Nothing ever happen there, except the occasional wolf attacking a sheep, or hailstorm that batters down crops.  The region is so isolated the inhabitants don't even believe they are part of the realm they belong to.

It is well-established in the books that the region is homogeneous; everyone kind of looks the same.  The literal descriptions include that everyone is dark of eye and dark of hair.  Our protagonist, Rand al'Thor, is an outlier because he has red hair and light-colored eyes.  

So what I wish the show did, but precisely what they did not do, is take that concept and run with it.  If you want to cast Egwene as Indian, perfect!  It's a great, choice.  It fits the world as described.  It's also a nice subtle hint (not unlike many in the books) that the Wheel of Time is actually set in a future Earth, and not some distant world.  But if you make Egwene Indian, then please make Mat, Tam, Perrin, Nynaeve, Cenn Buie, and all of the rest of the Emond's Fielders (and Deven Ride, Taren Ferry, and most of Baerlon) the same!  What I've seen from the show so far is unrealistic (the diversity would have been bred out of the population after a few centuries), within the context of Fantasy Realism, and the really painful part is that it is so unnecessary.

What I mean by this, is that the Wheel of Time is a vast body of work, with dozens of nations and cultures, complex characters of every possible ethnicity, and a central city that would make a Diversity and Inclusion officer salivate (Tar Valon).  There is no need to make Emond's Field diverse, other than to VIRTUE SIGNAL, and (my main fear) to deflect criticism.

I have seen this happen too many times, where the diverse casting is done solely to deflect legitimate criticism of other flaws painfully apparent in the production.  Whether it is poor performances, sloppy writing, lousy effects- you name it- every valid criticism gets lambasted as "racist" or "bigoted."

So let me be clear: I don't care that Egwene is Indian and Perrin is Black.  I care that they made them DIFFERENT because it detracts from Fantasy Realism.  MOREOVER, I am concerned that this choice was SELF-SERVING, so that any and all valid criticisms of the show could be cast aside with the label of being "racist."  

So let us leave this issue aside for now and for all time: I don't like the casting choices, but not at any INDIVIDUAL level, but at a group level.  I would have been a lot happier with Mat, Perrin, Egwene, Nynaeve and Tam being ethnically homogeneous, whatever ethnicity that ended up being.


Now, before we get into the shot-by-shot dissection of the trailer, I believe it is worth discussing The Count of Monte Cristo.

If you have not read The Count of Monte Cristo I should say right away that you have no business reading this blog, because there are much better uses of your time.  But within the context of our subject: The Wheel of Time: a criticism of Dumas' thriller sheds a lot of light on the literary issues plaguing the (literally) longest single work of fiction ever written.

Dumas' TCoMC is one of the greatest novels, but also one of the most unreadable.  Don't take my word for it, read Umberto Eco's introduction to the Everyman's Library edition.  Or just read it yourself.  If brevity is the soul of wit, then TCoMC is Forrest Gump.  And the reason for this is established historical fact: Dumas was being paid by the word.

Similarly, Robert Jordan started getting his own pay day around The Path of Daggers.  Every single volume from TPoD through to A Memory of Light reached #1 on the New York Times bestseller list.  In my view, having had to slog through the slow-moving plot-lines of books 8-11 several times, this is not a coincidence.  Fans collectively agree that Crossroads of Twilight (book 10) was so upsetting that the poem at the very end is viewed as the only good part of it.  But, as Umberto Eco notes, if an editor were to whittle down TCoMC to an abridged format; if someone trimmed all of the fat; then TCoMC would lose most of its charm.

That's how I feel about the Wheel of Time.  Yes, it's long.  Yes, there are long stretches that are utterly pointless.  But the writing is familiar; it's comfortable.  And, the best part about it, there are often little Easter-Eggs hidden in the writing which means you can discover new things upon your second, third, or fifteenth read through the series.

So I don't begrudge the Wheel of Time for its length; I'm almost OK with Crossroads of Twilight, as most of the initial pain was waiting two years for that to come out, and then it felt like getting socks for Christmas morning...


But for the TV series, let us please bear in mind, this is the LONGEST SINGLE WORK OR FICTION IN ALL LITERATURE.  The CHALLENGE is trimming it down into something that can be digested by a TV audience.  The LAST thing I would expect is someone deciding to ADD things to it.

Sigh.


Shot #1



So in the opening shot to the trailer we have Egwene being thrown off of a cliff by Nynaeve.  Leaving aside the mismatched ethnicity issue already discussed, we get something that is (1) not in the books, and (2) makes no sense.  This second point is important, as I had to do some background reading on what is actually going on here- visiting rumor sites and blogs and such.  Apparently this is some kind of "initiation ritual" into the Women's Circle for Egwene.  This is the FIRST IDEA the show-runners are introducing to the Wheel of Time fans, and it is utterly absurd.  The Women's Circle, as laboriously described by Robert Jordan, is singularly united by its prevailing view that all hair-brained and idiotic ideas are products of MEN THINKING WITH THE HAIR ON THEIR CHESTS.  The LAST thing these women would ever do is throw each other off of a cliff in a ritual.

One shot in and all that has been established is that the writers have no idea what they are doing.


Shot #2


The second shot is of the Mountains of Mist.  This insinuates that Emond's Field is way closer to the mountains than it actually is.


Shot #3


In this third shot we see the Winespring Inn, and a few other buildings in Emond's Field, not-at-all looking as how they are described in the books.  The Winespring Inn is the only building with a non-thatch roof.  It's roof is made of tiles.  Here, we see no thatched roofs, but also no tile roofs.  Also, the opening is supposed to occur during a dismal and dreary Bel Tine, where the spring has not come.  But in the show it looks like summer.  3 shots in, and all 3 run contrary to the source material.  This is not good.

Shot #4


Here we get to see our 3 Ta'veren for the first time, appearing to be cavorting at the Winespring Inn.  Apparently the show-runners consciously decided to run with everyone being a little bit older, as to make the show seem less Young Adult (I really don't know why, as Rand, Mat and Perrin are basically 20 when the books open).  What I take umbrage with is that Perrin AND MAT have (terrible) beards from the start.  The act of Perrin growing a beard is actually a "thing" in book 4.  Mat only has a beard in book 13, as part of his disguise hiding from people and shadowspawn trying to kill him, and he hates it.  These lads should be working to prepare for Bel Tine, and be clean-shaven.  It's non-negotiable.

Shot #5


Egwene shows up, completely in the wrong outfit, but at least her hair is in a braid.

Shot #6


Rand smiles at Egwene.  The only problem with this shot is that it is basically the only one of our protagonist in the trailer.

Shot #7


Nynaeve is smiling.  How did they mess this up so bad already?  Nynaeve is smiling?  She doesn't smile.  They have already ruined her character and the trailer is at 14 seconds.

Shot #8


This looks like 5, but it's probably 6, people fleeing on horseback along a river.  If this is 6 people, then we can probably assume that it is Moiraine, Lan, Rand, Perrin, Mat and Egwene fleeing the Two Rivers.  What this means is that there is no Thom Merrilin along for the initial ride (which is stupid).  But since they are traveling along a river, and not up a road toward Taren Ferry or Baerlon, they've already done away with staying true to the source material anyways.

Shot #9


This is apparently some Warder (not in the books) from some Aes Sedai (not in the first book) crying over his Aes Sedai's ring, implying that she is dead.  First: the ring is not what an Aes Sedai ring is supposed to look like.  Second: a Warder will go suicidal with blood-lust if their Aes Sedai dies.  How is this guy still alive?  I am 19 seconds into this thing and every shot so far departs meaningfully from the books.

Shot #10


Ok, seriously, this also doesn't happen in the books!  Maybe this is an interpretation of one of Egwene's dreams, or has to do with her test for Accepted (although that would be in Book 3, and I believe is outside of the remit of Season 1 of this show).  It looks like she is in a pool and getting stained by 7 colors (each corresponding to an Aes Sedai Ajah).  If this is not related to the White Tower, and as speculated has to do with the ridiculous Women's Circle cliff-jumping ritual, then the show-runners have lost it.

Shot #11


At this point i strongly feel they need to insert the word "loosely" into this text.

Shot #12


This is Tar Valon.  The CGI looks terrible and not at all how the city (and Dragonmount) are described.  Sigh.

Shot #13


This looks like Moiraine's boot-entrance.  They literally could not have introduced Moiraine in a worse way.  Moiraine DOES NOT WEAR BOOTS.  She does not wear a Power Rangers combat outfit.  She looks like a HIGH BORN LADY, in fine silks and slippers.  The fact that she can kick the crap out of Trollocs and take names is incongruous to her appearance.  She also travels incognito, as evidenced by the fact that in larger towns she is known as Mistress Alys, and Lan as Master Andra, because generally most villages are hostile to Aes Sedai and the One Power.

Shot #14


Back to Egwene (not the main character) in the river, in the sequence that does not happen in the books, and if it did happen, would not make sense.

Shot #15


This is the Hall of the White Tower.  Aside from introducing this setting about 8 book too soon, there are some costume problems here that would have Robert Jordan spinning in his grave so hard it's unfortunate we couldn't hook him up to a dynamo and solve our energy problems.  Aes Sedia do not dress like Airbenders or Power Rangers.  They don't wear uniforms, breeches or combat boots.  They wear dresses, and signify their Ajahs by the fringes of the shawls that they DO wear.  Seriously, the costume design folks for this show had to do ZERO original thought.  Fully 23% of all of the text in the Wheel of Time is Robert Jordan describing dresses.  The only way the costume department could screw something up so badly that it looks awful at a FIRST GLANCE is by WILLFULLY IGNORING the source material.

Shot #16


Siuan Sanche, the Amyrlin Seat.  We don't meet her until Book 2, and in Fal Dara (not Tar Valon).  She's also not of the Sea Folk, which is implied by her tattoos.  It's a minor point, but part of the rich world-building.  The Sea Folk only send token offerings to Tar Valon (their weaker girls able to channel) in order to allay suspicion.  The three Sea Folk Aes Sedai are all librarians.  They would never send one strong enough to rise to be the Amyrlin Seat.  AND, is this Siuan Sanche isn't meant to be a Sea Folk, then what is with the tattoos?

Shot #17


Moiraine being healed.  This is not in the books, and I'm afraid it's part of a silly and pointless story line involving Logain.

Shot #18


This is supposed to be Emond's Field on Winternight (the evening before Bel Tine) with Moiraine's weaves of Saidar drawing tendrils through the crisp night air.  Never mind that the real story only includes this as the aftermath- the books follow Rand rescuing his father from a Trolloc attack at their farm, they miss the events in Emond's Field- but non-channelers cannot see the flows of the One Power.  This is a semi-important point, as male channelers cannot see the flows of female channelers, and vice-versa.  If they make the One Power's use visible to all then they begin to undermine the mechanics of the One Power as explained by the books.

Shot #19


These are supposed to be 4 Red Ajah Aes Sedai (one is out of the frame) in their dumb uniforms.  This shot is pure cringe.  [Edit - a subsequently released photo reveals that the 4th Aes Sedai in this shot is wearing a Hijab - Kill me now]

Shot #20


By her establishment, and glimpse of her in shot #15, this is Leane Sharif, the Blue Ajah Keeper of the Chronicles.  She is supposed to be Domani (which is already described as coppery-skinned and elegant, so here they are woke-casting characters that would be woke even if they cast them correctly).  She conveys 2,000% more emotion in this constipated face than what is collectively attributed to all of the Aes Sedai in all 14 books.  I also don't have a problem with making her Asian, but I would appreciate, it in this case, if all Domani become Asian, to keep things consistent, but i doubt this will happen.

Shot #21


Now we get a series of shots leading up to some COOL AES SEDAI POWERS stopping arrows in flight.  We can see those silly-dressed Power Ranger RED AJAH on the left, and six stupidly dressed WARDERS; none of them have a color-shifting cloak, by the way; INCLUDING what looks like LAN AND NYNAEVE.  What are Lan and Nynaeve doing with six other Aes Sedai?  This isn't in the books, not even as backgrounder or side-plot material.  Uh oh.

Shot #22

Another shot of the poorly-created CGI Tar Valon.  This does appear to show the Hall of the Tower as a separate structure to the White Tower itself (the mini-tower on the Left).

Shot #23


This is supposed to show Mat and Rand (remember them from shot 4? They're actually the main characters!) outside of Shadar Logoth, which is that city off in the distance.  Mat and Rand, along with Thom Merrilin, are supposed to escape on a river ship from Shadar Logoth, but whatever.  Looks like that's getting cut in favor of more Aes Sedai and Egwene story lines.

Shot #24


Rand holding a bow in a wool sweater.  One would be tempted to say that Rand's costume is wrong, but I'm sure Robert Jordan would note that the Two Rivers longbow is way too small in this shot.  The Two Rivers bow is about as tall as a man.

Shot #25


Mat's dagger is ALL WRONG.  The ruby is at the pommel, not in the cross guard.  WRONG WRONG WONG.

Shot #26


This shot is supposed to show Mashadar spreading across Shadar Logoth.  Mashadar is a FOG, not whatever this is.  Also, what is Egwene doing out with Perrin and Rand?  If this is after they begin to flee Shadar Logoth, then where are their horses?  Lastly, what is with the terrible bath robe costume choices?

Shot #27


Here it looks like Egwene and Perrin have fled up Shadar Logoth's walls.  They don't do this in the books.  Everyone gets separated, and it's a cool scene where Egwene is found by Perrin but she has been doing way better surviving in the wild than he has.  Guess we are not getting that...

Shot #28


Mat with his terrible beard and what looks like an Aiel in a hanging cage.  Never happens in the books.

Shot #29


We finally get a wolf and Perrin.  

Shot #30


Oh god no.  This is so fundamentally INDECENT.  Rand and Egwene are not even MARRIED!  The Women's Circle back in Emond's Field would birch their hides if they ever found out about this!  Seriously, if they have Rand and Egwene fucking (which never happens in the books) they have completely misinterpreted what made the books successful.

Shot #31


This looks like Mat and Perrin in a ruin; probably in Shadar Logoth, which is the only setting that makes sense for a shot like this.  At this point, this feels like a useless shot to include in a trailer.

Shot #32


Tam al'Thor is delivering a monologue; I will be discussing the voice-overs at the end.

Shot# 33


A dance at Bel Tine (Winternight?); I don't know why it's at night.

Shot #34


A bunch of shrouded corpses in the aftermath of a battle (against Logain?)  Repetition of the Wheel/Circle.

Shot #35


This has to be the cheapest GCI shot I've ever seen.  Seriously, freeze-frame and look at it.  The Wheel of Time video game (1999) has better graphics than this.

Shot #36


First shot of a Myrddraal!  I hope they don't look like the Sarlacc from Return of the Jedi!

Shot #37


I'm fine with Lan being cast as an Asian, but why did they feel the need to further culturally appropriate the samurai?

Shot #38


A bunch of non-scary Trollocs and our Myrddraal (Sarlacc?) on a horse.

Shot #39


Mat and Rand running for it; probably during their flight from Whitebridge, but before they reach Caemlyn- one of the best parts of the novel that I'm sure they won't abridge or ruin [sarc].

Shot # 40


This is from the pointless Logain Hunt, apparently.

Shot #41


So is this shot: it looks like the Aes Sedai aren't very good at shielding men that can channel.

Shot #42


Nynaeve is in the middle of a fight.  I don't think this happens in the books, because this also looks like it's connected to the made-up Logain storyline.

Shot #43


Moiraine going to the Hall of the Tower.  Not in the books.  Superfluous and runs counter to her entire story.  I don't think the show-runners have a clue.

Shot #44


Sea Folk Siuane speaking to Moiraine(?)  Can't wait to see her get stilled at this point.

Shot #45


The trailer for Diablo 2 does a better job than this shot.

Shot #46


Again, Moiraine looks more like a Power Ranger than an Aes Sedai.

Shot #47


More of Lan the Samurai.

Shot #48


This looks like Logain followers in their mad charge in a battle, and plot line that doesn't happen, in the longest story every written.

Shot #49


Nynaeve and Egwene look like they are defending themselves during the Winternight Trolloc attack.  Aside from that this doesn't happen in the books, I have no issues with this shot.

Shot #50


This is some warder, without their color-shifting cloak, and wielding two of the dumbest-looking and most impractical battle-axes ever designed, jumping across the room at Logain.  I hope this Warder gets killed.

Shot #51


This is Lan killing 3 Trollocs at once.  This looks like it's during the Winternight attack, which isn't seen in the books as Rand is not in Emond's Field.  This looks childish. His slash basically hits them at the knee.

Shot #52


That structure on the hill is apparently a Waygate.  They are deliberately ignoring the books in their design choices for everything at this point.

Shot #53


Sarlacc riding for the Winespring Inn?

Shot #54


Yep. it's a Sarlacc.  STOP MAKING EVERYTHING WORSE.  NOT A SINGLE INDEPENDENT DECISION HAS BEEN GOOD!

Shot #55


Bunch of quick cuts of Lan and Moiraine fighting shadowspawn in Emond's Field on Winternight.  What an utter let down.


Now let's go through the dialogue and voice-overs in the trailer:

Nynaeve say "Be strong" to Egwene when throwing her off the cliff.  This is stupid.

Then Moiraine's voice over says: "The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend..." basically cutting off the opening passage to every Wheel of Time book...

Then, inexplicably, Moiraine is talking again (probably to Egwene) and she says: "The Power inside you- all over the world there are different names for it." - OK, this is NOT TRUE.  It's known as the ONE POWER EVERYWHERE.  THERE ARE NO OTHER NAMES FOR IT. - "But it's one thing, One Power," - Technically there is a male half and a female half, but whatever - "And women who can touch it, we protect the world."  Meddle in the world is more accurate.

Tam al'Thor has the next voice over: "No matter what happens, what pain we face, what heartbreak, the Wheel keeps turning." It should be noted that Tam is not a philosopher, and this line of dialogue is pretty pointless.

Then we have Lan saying: "The Dark One is coming for your friends."

Then Sea Folk Siuan says: "The Last Battle is coming."  Yeah, in 14 books.

Then some random lady says: "The only thing that matters is what you do."  Sounds like Yoda.

Then Moiraine: "Whatever happens now, there's no turning back"


So basically all of the voice over information is either useless filler or technically contradicts the source material.


Thanks for making it this far.  I don't think anything in this trailer bodes well for the series.  Even though I've only seen 2 minutes of film I think it's enough to hope that this gets hit with Balefire and someone else can try again.  I don't think I have the stomach to dive this deep into the actual episodes when they are released, but I can probably dissect individual mistakes endlessly as I come across them.

If you have found things that you hate which I apparently missed, please let me know.  If you are excited about the show and can't stand the fact that someone that likes the books more than you hates what he's seen so far, you should re-evaluate your life before commenting.

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  1. this show looks like total garbage

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  2. Very well put. You've managed to express quite eloquently the fears I was unable to clearly articulate. I'm also a long term fan of the books and although I'm still excited to see the show, I'm also very afraid! If they're too bad it's just going to be such a wasted opportunity. I hope half of the things you've pointed out turn out to just be pessimism, but I don't hold out much hope.

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    1. This criticism is totally accurate and well thought out. There, I fixed it for you...

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  4. If I may help, I respect your premises and I generally agree. However, as far as saying that if the actress picked for Egwene is 'Indian' (she isn't, she is mixed blood, let's call it 50-50) the others ought to be the same, that is genetically incorrect.
    1. Bottleneck Events (the Breaking, fall of Manetheren, and to some extent even the Trolloc Wars or the 100 years war) simply rearrange the preexisting genetic pool. Said pool was already diverse.
    Dominant genes do not eat/destroy/overtake. Recessive genes do not get defeated/beaten/deleted.
    I don't think I can share a graphic representation but in short, if you start with 5 different colors in different/gradual distribution, after a Bottleneck Event you will still have all five colors in your genetic pool. The distribution will be different in %, not geographically. There is no way for specific areas to lose or end up distributed by skin color when the initial pool is mixed. Recessive genes will always manifest themselves, and dominant genes coexist with other dominant genes.
    2. I entirely agree that the one odd man out is Mat. The actor that will replace Harris in season 2 is already a better choice. Tam can pass actually.
    3. Egwene being played by a 'half-indian' actress does not mean everyone else should also also have 50% Indian blood, rather the fact that Perrin's, Egwene's, Nynaeve's actors all are 50-50 is a fine way to pick a decent representation of a genetic future we literally have no way of guessing how it will play. STOP BEFORE RAGE: RJ consistently gives us PoV's of people, beliefs and assumptions that he systematically shatters. The TR is so isolated! No one comes here! But the peddlers and merchants and merchants' guards, and Tam with a wife from outside and a rescued baby, and Taren Ferry has dock workers that weren't born there, and Master Hightower tells us they get more people than the EFielders ever suspected and and and.. this is a constant. Aes Sedai who think they get most if not all SeaFolk channelers and BOOM no they don't. Aiel and Wise Ones all channelers actually none of them actually some and BOOM entering the dream world doesn't require being able to channel. Let's not even talk about Seanchan.
    Coppery, pale, sunburnt, etc these are all just hues.
    There isn't a single mention of any human races throughout the entire series. RJ was also clear on his intents, on when he started mulling over a story during in time in Vietnam, and how he wanted to write a fantasy book in the future, with no more human separations.

    So... the cast is ok :)

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    1. PS: aside from Morgase breaking yet another rumor, once she says that the tax collectors hadn't visited the TR in almost 80 years (it literally takes one of them to fall in law with a maid and boom done), most assumptions and beliefs are constantly challenged, and there is no way that the TR would be homogeneous, with so few people and no new genetic information, they'd be worse than the European royal families. Or Alabama.

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    2. But do you think the true goal of the producers was to be true to the books with their casting choices? If so, why all of the other changes, from costumes to early plot points?

      Or do you think the casting is what I think it is- a deflection mechanism to malign legitimate criticism.

      The books are also very clear that regionally the west of Andor looked fairly homogeneous and that Rand was an outlier. The books are also very clear that big cities, such as Caemlyn, are very diverse.

      The books also make clear, starting in book 6 with refugees from Arad Doman, Almoth Plain, and Tarabon, flooding over the Mountains of Mist, that the Two Rivers gets more diverse, and reaps the benefits of new crafts, technologies, tradespeople and industries.

      The books are already progressive an many regards, but a payoff requires a set up.

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    3. I think that kind of speculation is a personal - and currently very en vogue - obsession with the whole agendas and conspiracy thing.
      The changes in costumes I actually welcomed, because some were too traditionally fantasy-style, others would have resembled too closely already published projects, and also they needed a bit of a spruce up to be eye catching in a tv adaptation 40+ years later. If and when they fail, I'll bash them.
      I love and respect RJ but he had his own shortcomings. I am an avid reader, by coincidence I also taught History of Costume in University.. I haven't seen enough but I researched the costume artists and they seem very proficient.
      Regardless, it is just clothes, they didn't change them in a way that they are entirely different, they exaggerated them and then, what I noticed, they broke them in tiers to separate hierarchically people within the same institutions.
      I promise I will be as critical to what deserves it once I see the show proper.

      The books make a point pro-immigration and the exchange of cultures, and west Andor looking homogeneous vs a 6'4 ginger with green gray eyes is not a hard reach. Cities being more diverse, yet again, all normal, you are right.

      My point wasn't that the Two Rivers should be an Arlequin of colors, but that there is zero chance everyone looks like Mat's actor. I actually find the sub for season 2 to be a little more fitting.

      How can you have Edmon Field sporting two of the strongest channelers in ages... be the result of inbreeding?? If the old blood runs strong, then that old blood is the blood of a megalopolis that we know had people from every where, and kept its doors open to all.

      How do you explain the lack of genetic malformation, lack of lesser able people, no visible sign, no blood diseases, with a wilder for wisdom at best... in an inbred population for centuries? It obviously can't be.
      BUT RJ actually gives us the Congars and the Coplins as too intermarried, being also ugly-ish but especially, mean spirited.

      So even if west andorans do not look like Aiel, they still carry recessive genes and are half this half that (to make it brief), hence why everyone is brown-ish, but what contributed to said color coding is different.
      Because unlike finger-painting, you can have skin hues belonging to several races.


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    4. I think you a bit out to lunch. The reality is that you end up with phenotype diversity by keeping populations separated from one another. You may want to read Darwin's Descent of Man.

      You don't need a modern diverse world to prevent inbreeding, you just need to avoid consanguinity (i.e., don't marry your cousin). No one on earth has 100% unique ancestors after 30 generations; it's not mathematically possible. But with a population of tens of thousands you can avoid the recessive issues you mention. But sexual selection, over time, will lead to similarity of phenotype among isolated populations.

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    5. Thank you for the suggestion, I have read it years ago and I understand what you're saying. But a village as small as Edmon Field would have no way to avoid consanguinity, since it carries to second-cousins level.
      Recessive genes have the perk of never disappearing. Their recessive nature means that they linger in the background, that is how you have red hair after generations of none.
      Also, this isn't how phenotypes really work, an autosomal dominant allele will always be preferentially expressed over a recessive allele but the recessive allele doesn't disappear. Though this is about genotypes, and not phenotypes. Hair color, eye color, height etc are all genotypes. I.E. Rand. Phenotypes instead are influenced not just by genotypes but also by the environment. "Our genes control the amount and type of melanin that we produce, however, exposure to UV light in sunny climates causes the darkening of existing melanin and encourages increased melanogenesis and thus darker skin." That's why Elaida raises Rand's sleeve to see he was paler under the tanned areas. Because unlike the Two River folks, he is pale white and not brown/olive skinned (Phenotype V if I recall correctly, my main one too), he isn't the result of generations of farmers and outdoors workers.
      And yet in Sicily only, an island yes but also a central area for millennia, you will find a minimum of 11 phenotypes, all strongly existing.
      We are after all a huge mix and match. Yes we people darker than the EFielders cast, and lighter than Rand. With red, black, blonde, and everything in between hair. Same for eyes. And for skin, which is less genotypical and more phenotypical.
      But Rand wasn't the son of two rivers folks, so his phenotypes are different than those of the EFielders, his mother being Cahirienin and his father an Aiel.
      He makes complete sense and I dare say, Josha isn't even my headcanon but I am also not going to pretend that in a book you have absolute freedom, and in a TV show you are bound to the limitations of current reality.

      Perhaps because I am Sicilian and I started reading the series when I was still living home, I imagined the TR folks to be basically Mediterranean.

      My question stands though, if we cannot imagine how the language would have evolved, hence using common English for the story, we can also not imagine how the genotypes and phenotypes would have evolved. All we know, and that was RJ's intention, is that the society pre-Breaking was even more diverse as the one we are currently experiencing in our times, which is two eras before more or less.
      Genetically speaking, and I am not saying RJ or the show runners got degrees in genetics before writing their story, the TR should be anything but the extremes of our current racial diversions.
      RJ uses adjectives to distinguish and describe characters, never once does he mention race. Because outwardly characteristics are phenotypical and the result of diet, environment etc (think the Flamingo, who are white, but turn pink due to their diet). He said so himself and Harriet confirmed, he wanted a world void of racial separation. I'd like to honor him by respecting whatever manner of display of a future population, the mix and whisking of all people mingling at one time or another.

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  5. I do have a question for you though. How do you explain that they all speak English? And not just any English, current English too.
    I approach this philosophically. There is no inspiration in what we don't know. RJ wasn't Tolkien and he wasn't about to make a bunch of new languages.
    But still. If we do not explain this with the simple concept that we create nothing but everything we produce is an emulation (of inspiration , of other art, of nature etc), then it is the same to the racial profile of our world in thousands of years from now.
    No one can know. It is an unknown. What our languages will be like, what we will look like, he did the best he could, and kinda mixed everyone further at the Breaking.

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    1. I actually appreciate this point. For me the "world breaks" come as a result of the author having characters make puns, or introduce plot points involving linguistic misunderstandings, or colloquialisms, or idioms- things of that nature.

      There is a terrible scene in Game of Throne (the show, not the books) where Sam Tarly makes a pun to Gilly on the ship. GRRM would never do this.

      I also have a hang up with certain words with a unique etymological history- such as "Eavesdropping", which doesn't make sense without the context of King Henry VIII's court.

      So if the author avoids wordplay that only make sense to English-speakers at a certain time or place, then I think the fantasy world is preserved. They need to speak something, and it needs to be in the language the reader can understand.

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    2. Right! There won't be classical swearwords, or more modern, technology-driven terms. Etymology is actually a huge passion of mine!
      I think the same degree of understanding ought to be given to the intentions behind creating a possible version of our current world in a future far away, without any way of knowing what it will be.
      One thing we know, we judge people phenotypically (hence so many whining that the EFielders are "black" when in fact they are all mixed, and all have one white parent) and not genotypically :) Most people do not even have a grain of the knowledge you and I shared here.
      And that is perhaps the real issue, that since most people don't know but still assume, and since most people judge superficially (phenotypes) without really understanding, that creates a huge risk of discrimination at-random, as I like to call it lol just based on superficial characteristics determined not by actual genetic understanding, but literally by colors.
      I always say, more people ought to visit Sicily! They'd be shocked lol

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    3. Well I think we agree on a lot of points, but i jut want to make an additional 2:

      I don't imagine Sicily being a good stand-in for an isolated location a la the Two Rivers, seeing as it has experienced waves of invasion for thousands of years (Greeks, Vikings, you name it), and the Princes had a penchant for German wives for several centuries in the more modern times (thank you di Lampedusa). Sicily is in the middle of the Mediterranean; basically a nexus of long-distance sea-faring for untold centuries.

      Also, the more i think about it, i think the show is doing a disservice to the source material and a more progressive message, but it requires a set up and a payoff. The producers likely didn't have the patience though. They could have made the Two Rivers homogeneous, but at Lord of Chaos and later (after the refugees are flowing in from over the Mountains of Mist), they can show how the Two Rivers is improving (economic growth, new industries, etc.) That would satisfy fans of the books for staying true to the source material, and it's arguably a more progressive message for the audience.

      Maybe the show-runners know they'll never make it to book six though.

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    4. Yes but that was also my point, re Sicily. If the world were to go through a Breaking, with nations lakes mountains and people all tossed asunder, they'd still detain their genotypes, and phenotypes will evolve according to new environment, diet etc. It is why I mentioned its long history of dominations, 2500 and never sovereign (it's a soft spot for us) because the climate/environment has been constant until recent decades (from deserted we are now tropical and I lived the change on my skin, most bizarre thing I swear) hence how the diverse phenotypes survived, making even those with Norman blood, for instance, able to tan, but still lighter in the winter months.
      As for Sicily itself, I think it's natural when so young that our imagination reflects the world we know. Hence why I saw them all Mediterranean, which also meant though, they were all colorful because that is how we are.
      I have a sister who is all dark, very dark hair and very dark eyes, but with light skin and freckles, and a ponty-up nose, who still tans in seconds. Another who has brown hair and green eyes and olive skin, with a potato nose, who still tans in seconds. A brother who is blonde with blue eyes and freckles, who tans like a Greek god in milliseconds. And me, brown hair, grey eyes, persian nose, pale in winter (and even more so now that I live in Boston, where the sun is not hard to come by, but I stay hibernated indoors for 7-8 months of the year lol) but I also tan super easily, bronze like, as I am phenotype V mixed.
      So it wasn't hard for me to imagine the TR as people I grew up with, and it wasn't as hard to accept the casting.


      I think the distinction is to be made here then.
      The disservice to the source material aka not being represented to the letter, vs disservice to the intents of the author aka imagining a future without racial division.
      Considering four and more decades have passed, and this is still a business venture for a larger audience than just the fans of the book series, it had to be adapted to modern standards, and its groundbreaking diversity in the 80s had to be reflected to 2020s expectations.

      I personally think that Season 1 and 2 have been written and shot according to PRISM expectations, like analysis of audience and expected audience + peripheral audience, and season 3 will have more feedback to work on.
      I hope they'll go ahead and do the whole thing, as after all that is what Amazon set out to do. But, business venture still is.

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    5. PS: I mentioned to say (lol) we all have the same two parents.

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